Rap is Not Poetry. Rap is Jive Talking.

Seattle’s Weekly Paper, “The Stranger” – Sept 22, 2011:


Mr. Blog Guy seemingly prefers his rap to be devoid of poetry. Heck, here I was thinking that poetry was a mastery of language. “Rap” is obviously a word-heavy craft, so I figured I’d make the most of my rhymes by infusing poetry and meaning into them. I didn’t invent that process of course, it is definitely a torch that’s been passed down to me and I carry it proudly. That said, I’ll take the “Sage does way too much with his raps” comment as a compliment if you don’t mind. Also, be on the look out for my next mixtape “Sick of Jive Ass Bloggers” dropping on dat azz soon!

Here’s the most recent tweet from Mr. Blog Guy:

Interesting, eh? I thought so. Anyway, I’m going to end this jive-ass blog with a couple questions: 
1) Is rap supposed to only be a vehicle for “jive talking” or is there room for more? Has it ever just been about jive talking?
2) Has anyone actually said the word “jive” in a serious way since the 70′s? Not including the jive-ass record label of course.

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7 thoughts on “Rap is Not Poetry. Rap is Jive Talking.

  1. 1) Rap is not inherently poetry, but limiting the genre and claiming that it can never be poetry and that it is merely “live talk” is stupid. I’m pretty sure Chuck D would shit a brick on this guy’s head if he caught wind of this.

    2) No.

  2. I personally think that rap needs to be poetry. Too often is the genre polluted with meaningless rhymes, pointless songs, and I suppose you could say “jive talk.”
    I’m someone who fell in love with poetry, then fell in love with rap after I realized that there were truly poetic rappers in the world.
    It’s ludicrous to think that someone could say, “there’s too much depth to this song.” The only criticism that should be brought about, in that sense, is that there isn’t enough depth to a certain song. Rap, like poetry, should be an expansion of someone’s thoughts, emotions, beliefs, and philosophies. Anything less is just not worth listening to, in my opinion.
    On a side note, Sage you’re a constant inspiration. You’re one of the shinning lights in a gloomy world filled with jive talkers. Keep doing your thing.

    -Michael Bishop

  3. If rap collapses, is that necessarily bad? Mr. Mudede seems to think so. I don’t know that I agree. While there are still people practicing pointillism, or speaking aramaic, these modes of communication have effectively (for better or worse) collapsed: That is to say, there is no mainstream following, no hold on public consciousness.

    If we aren’t to adapt, to evolve, what ARE we to do? Re-describing the perimeter of the box, labelled “Rap”, will become less interesting and less creative with time. In that light, the so-called “collapse” of Rap can be seen as inevitable: it collapses if we do the same, and it collapses if we do differently. If it is inevitable, then shouldn’t we champion those whose work tries to reach outside the box? That seems (to me, at least) preferable to letting the mode of expression fade, without legacy.

    Allow me to re-dress the point of the previous paragraph with an example (however abstract the example may be). If a musical artist releases 5 albums that sound strikingly similar to one another, then who is listening to, and buying, the most recent incarnation of the same old beast? Not many. Maybe the irrationally devoted fans, maybe those who have only recently discovered the sound; but many of those fans of the original sound will abandon the artist when they hear nothing new. Sure, by moving away from the original sound the artist risks alienating her fans, but that happens if she fails to evolve, anyway. If she chooses to evolve, then some of those fans will carry forward, some new fans will be gained, and – perhaps most importantly – some new music will be created.

    Art is much more about creation than placation. Mr. Mudede has something that he likes, a (more or less) particular sound to which he gravitates when he is in the mood to listen to “Rap.” And that’s fine. To expect that, and even demand it, of others is not. It seems reasonable to me to express my dislike for the manner in which the work of an artist I appreciate evolves, it seems unreasonable to me to fault the artist for doing so.

  4. Well I always thought that the more you can express with your music the better but seemingly it’s not the case to that guy. ^^
    Let’s just stay with big car big dick shall we? :D

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